Monthly Archives: September 2012

Will the real violent book please show up?

 

One of the most favorite topic of the islamophobes evangelical christians in demonizing Islam is making the impression that Islam is the source of bloodthirstiness and intolerance . They attack the character of the Prophet Mohammad and claims that Islam is a uniquely violent due to the nature of scripture found in the Quran.
The 9/11 WTC incident is one of the most well known terrorist attack in the recent decades and the Christian Islamophobes are keen to point out that the perpetrators got their inspiration from Quranic theachings.
Now for one who has been more than 30 years reading the Bible and studying Christianity, I found that this is the most hyprocritical allegation they are making. “In terms of its bloodthirsty and intolerant passages, the Bible , contains scriptural violence that is no match in the level of “violence” found in the Quran. If you read the Bible closely you will find that it offers a specific scriptural justification for suicide terrorism unlike in the Quran.
While the Qur’an offers nothing explicit beyond general exhortations to a just warfare in the name of God. Passages of the Bible, in contrast, seem expressly designed for suicide terrorism. There is story of Samson in the Bible when he committed suicide upon thousands of people.
Islam is the latecomer when it comes to terrorism is quite new and those Middle East and Arab terrorist who drove a recent wave of global terrorism came from secular persuasion. Most arab anti-Israeli activists were secular socialist nationalists, and Christians arab played a prominent role in the movement’s leadership.

Not only that evangelical islamophobes are hyprocrtically making association of Islam and terrorism, they seems to distant themselves with Christian terrorist portraying them as being anything but Christian, a blatant double standard.
If if Osama bin Laden is called Muslim terrorists, certainly Anders breiviks, Michael Page , Mcveigh etc. are all Christian terrorists.
Bin Laden carried out their crime not for reasons of personal piety (none of them come from religious background, mostly are secular educated engineers) but because they were lured by the image of injustice and oppression from “western” hegemony ie in a war situation. They saw themselves as religious warriors.
And so is Breivik. His manifesto indicates that he thought he was defending the white Christian society against non-white non-Christians invaders. Like TimMcVeigh, Michael Page, it was clear that he tought he battled a crusade to save Christendom.
The KKK for instance are basing their beliefs on a “religious foundation” in Christianity. The goals of the KKK included, from an early time on, an intent to “reestablish Protestant Christian values in America by any means possible,” and believe that “Jesus was the first Klansman. Their cross-burnings were conducted not only to intimidate targets, but to demonstrate their respect and reverence for Jesus Christ, and the lighting ritual was steeped in Christian symbolism, including the saying of prayers and singing of Christian hymns.

Many modern Klan organizations, such as the Knights Party, USA, continue to focus on the Christian supremacist message, asserting that there is a “war” on to destroy “western Christendom.”
Again even if one apply the same standard to the the Bible text as you did to the Quran the method employed by Islamophones christians what anyone can find is the Bible contains far more verses praising or urging bloodshed than does the Quran and are far more extreme, and marked by more indiscriminate savagery.
Yet the very few passages in the Quran which seems to suggest the believers to fight it also commands that enemies be shown mercy when they surrender. This is a just and legitimate fight. One dont have this in the Bible!
Some frightful portions of the Bible, by contrast, go much further in ordering the total extermination of enemies, of whole families and races – of men, women, and children, and even their livestock, with no quarter granted.
Some verses is so savage it advocates to seize infants and smash their skulls against the rocks.
Thats why Muslims do not think that this book full of savagerys really is the genuine zaboor, the Tawraat and the Injeel, the previous revelation from God mentioned in the Quran.

OT vs NT
Evangelical christians tend to argue that “God of the Old Testament” is a different violent God from the God of love as in the New Testament. They places the origins of Bible violence squarely within Judaism.
To me this does not work because it means Christians dont believe in the OT books, there is no more Judeo-Christian context. It means Christian must repudiate the Old Testament as an “unchristian” book, and thus put them in the same boat as the muslim that the text contains apparent contradictory and absdurdity as signs it has been tampered with human hands.
However on a close examination you will see that the New Testament while does not have the same reputation, it too is “filled with violent words and deeds, and Jesus and the God of the New Testament are complicit in this violence. In Mat 10:34, Luke 12:49-51 Jesus is clearly leading an armed rebellion. Nothing wrong with that only if this is interpreted as a just war.
Unfortunately just war is not clearly outline in the Bible like it is in the Quran.

Hyprocitrical Argument
While ignoring the lack of discrimination between combatants and non-combatants in the Bible where God seems merciless not to leave anything that breathed hyprocitrically these Islamophobes tend to focus their attention on a few passages within the Qur’an which seem to suggest that Allāh encourages Muslims to subjugate non-Muslims, and even to take their lives if they refuse to yield especially like to quote Surah (Chapter) 9, Ayah (Verse) 5, which has become known as the “verse of the sword” (Ayat al-Sayf) and on Surah 2:190-194.

An excellent explanation on those verses from a military man who know a just war can be found here in this blog.

These Islamophobes evangelical christians need to wake up that applying the same standard then it should be impossible for them to live their faith without the genocidal violence that so abounds in their Bible.

Here is the the video of last week’s debate, “Is Muhammed Prophesied in the Bible?” featuring James White debating Zakir Hussain:



Calling Christians

Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem
بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ ,

Well, that didn’t take long! The day after James White’s debate with Br. Zakir Hussain (details here, audio stream here, or right click ‘save as’ to download here), James released an article conceding to his clear ineptitude, inability to respond to well founded research and lack of basic comprehension skills. By basic I mean not being able to find a word and correctly identify its meaning, even after having used a computer to search for it (even though he’s a self claimed expert on the Greek language). I really must question not only his basic comprehension skills, but his lazy and hypocritical attitude as well. Yet, before I do so, let’s examine his statements:

First, having quoted John 1:1 in Greek a few thousand times in my life, I think I ended up trying out for a spot…

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Medina is foretold in the Bible: a lecture by Sheikh Esam Mudeer

DID THE BIBLE ACTUALLY SPEAK ABOUT MUHAMMAD COMING TO MEDINA? Sheikh Esam talks about HISTORICAL EVENT FORETOLD IN ISAIAH 21:13

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Video: U.S. Muslim Leaders Condemn Killings of American Diplomats (NBC)

(WASHINGTON, D.C., 9/12/12) — The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) today condemned the “disgraceful” killings of American diplomats in Libya and said that extremists must not be allowed to control the political and religious discourse worldwide.

CAIR, a Washington-based Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization, made that statement at a noon news conference today on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., at which representatives of CAIR and other Muslim organizations* condemned both the killings of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other diplomats in that nation and the attack on the American embassy in Egypt.

In his prepared statement, CAIR National Executive Director Nihad Awad said:

“We condemn the disgraceful killings of the American diplomats in Libya in the strongest terms possible. We also condemn the attack on our nation’s diplomatic facilities in Libya and Egypt. The actions of the attackers are totally inexcusable and un-Islamic.

“We agree with Secretary Clinton, who said that ‘violence like this is no way to honor religion or faith.’ The extremists who carried out these attacks deserve punishment, and the extremists who produced and promoted an intentionally inflammatory film deserve condemnation.

“Islamic traditions include a number of instances in which the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) had the opportunity to retaliate against those who abused him, but refrained from doing so.

One tradition, or hadith, states: ‘You [Muhammad] do not do evil to those who do evil to you, but you deal with them with forgiveness and kindness.’ (Sahih Al-Bukhari)

“Muslims are also taught the tradition of the woman who would regularly throw trash on the prophet as he walked down a particular path. The prophet never responded in kind to the woman’s abuse. Instead, when she one day failed to attack him, he went to her home to inquire about her condition.

“In another tradition, the prophet was offered the opportunity to have God punish the people of a town near Mecca who refused the message of Islam and attacked him with stones. Again, the prophet did not choose to respond in kind to the abuse.

“We must not let extremists control the political or religious discourse. That means that people of all beliefs should repudiate those who would commit acts of violence in response to intentional provocations and repudiate those whose only goal is offending religious sentiments.”

CAIR yesterday called on Muslims in the Middle East to ignore the distribution of the “trashy” anti-Islam film, clips of which are circulating online, that resulted in the attacks in Libya and Egypt.

SEE: CAIR Asks Mideast Muslims to Ignore ‘Trashy’ Anti-Islam Film
http://tinyurl.com/9z66a44

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Paul Salahuddin Armstrong

“An idiotic film has been produced by Sam Becile… We implore our brothers and sisters in Islam to remember, that while foolish people do foolish things, the wise do not emulate them. Islam has always been attacked since the time of the Prophet, peace be upon him. If we want to know how to respond, we should look to his noble example, with patience and words of wisdom. Nothing good can result from violent confrontation. This film was deliberately produced in order to provoke, do not therefore give in to the shayateen by allowing them to provoke you to anger.”
~ Paul Salahuddin Armstrong

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Is the Qur’an Miraculous? br, Nouman Ali Khan explains

Is the Qur’an Miraculous? Muslim and Christian Dialogue About The Quran on TheDeenShow by br, Nouman Ali Khan

Should Muslims be grateful for Tom Holland’s ‘story’ about Islamic history?’