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Mercy of God by human sacrifice?

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In the Book of Romans Paul of Tarsus sets down one of the cornerstones of his theology : no man can be justified by works , only through faith is the justification of grace.

In other words Paul is saying that that only faith and not works can count for righteousness.

This Christian doctrine is similar to Salvation in Islam that is purely by the Grace of God Almighty – while deeds are merely an indication of the reception of His Grace.

وَاللَّهُ خَلَقَكُمْ وَمَا تَعْمَلُونَ

It is God who created you and all your actions (37:96)

وَمَن يَتَوَكَّلْ عَلَى اللَّهِ فَهُوَ حَسْبُهُ

And he who relies entirely upon God will find Him fulfilling (65:3)

The big difference is however: Islam teach a believer can attain paradise by the mercy of God without ‘god’ having to require a human sacrifice!

Refuting Missionary on absurd plan salvation

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Ken Temple the internet missionary who has been stalking Muslim blogs and is preying to save Muslim soul to (“his vesion of”) christ yet again made an attempt to defend his position on the salvation.

http://bloggingtheology.wordpress.com/2013/02/14/the-quran/#comment-6414

“We have already answered Paul Williams and others on the question of Jesus dying
and His natures – anyone can understand that if a person has two natures, and
Jesus has 2 natures; and that God cannot die, then it was the human body that
died and the human soul and invisible Deity was separated from the body at
Jesus’ death; and His Divine Power of an Indestructible life (Hebrews 7:16-17,
in agreement with 1 Timothy 6:15-16) that raised Himself back up from the dead.
(John 2:19-22; 10:18)”

His argument is not only illogical, but inconsistent with the incarnation theory that God become man (God Forbid!).

This version of Ken’s god incarnate was each person independent to each natures thus the God incarnation failed to manifest into real human.

If this implies TWO natures of Jesus there was never a real union between god and man in Jesus. The one still was ever decaying . Another was omniscient. The one is immortal, while another one did die. So Jesus was still human and God is still God.

This is theological mess.

Ins Islam, God is unique whether it is in “person” or in “nature” or whatever attribute we want to define. He is the ONLY ONE of his kind. Other so-called mand-god, are never in the same genre as God. There is not such a thing as God-head or God-kind like mankind. The word, God, can only refer uniquely to whose identity is God.

Ken squirmed on the fact  he has been refuted by br. Paul Williams..

“I don’t see the point in continually to beat that argument out. We have explained what the Bible and Christianity teaches. You just refuse to accept it. The reasons that you refuse to understand and believe is explained by Jesus in  John 8:34-58.”

No, unlike your absurd worldview,  I believe muslim like br. Paul Bilal Williams like many other reverts  found liberty in Islam from the absud theory that the world’s sin was redeemed through the death of God .

Islam teach that the purpose of life for people is to undergo a test, immediately after prophet Adam. A constant battle not be tempted to satan’s desire to make people to sin, and to do good. فَاسْتَبِقُوا الْخَيْرَاتِ “hasten towards all that is good” Q 2:148

In Islam we do not believe that Adam would fall, and thereby be damned; and thus God selected only a few to be saved like in Calvinism.

God in Islam is all-powerful, and HE had included the entire human family to be saved since we are ALL born sinless and gave them the free will to choose between good and evil.

We don’t believe in the fallacious vicarious atonement as a substitute for sinners — an innocent person was made to suffer for those alleged to bad things in life.

Islam contend that the object of Jesus life in particular and all prophet’s God in general was to reconcile man toward God, not God to man or God become man.

  • “Every man shall die for his own sin”
  • “To punish the just is not good,”

Thanks God for Islam..

The Ten Commandments in the Bible and the Qur’an

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Salaam and Greetings of Peace:

It has been said that everything in the Old Testament can be found in the New Testament, and that everything in the Old and New Testament can be found in the Qur’an. And the Qur’an defines and sets the standards of social and moral values for Muslims.

In the 17th chapter, “Al-Israa” (“The Night Journey”), verses 17:22, the Qur’an provides a set of moral stipulations which are “among the (precepts of) wisdom, which thy Lord has revealed to thee” that can be reasonably categorized as ten in number. These resemble the Ten Commandments handed down by God to Moses, and represents the fullest statement of the code of behavior every Muslim must follow. However, these verses are not regarded by Islamic scholars as set apart from any other moral stipulations in the Qur’an, nor are they regarded as a substitute, replacement, or abrogation of some…

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Which Way America: The Bible or the Qur’an? Bro Khalil Meek vs Jay Smith

Is the Bible truly God’s Word ?

From where Muhammad (pbuh) got his revelations? and Who wrote the Bible ?

Did Muhammad (pbuh) author the Qur’an?

Was the Bible corrupted as Muslims claim?

Representing the Muslim perspective was Brother Khalil Meek; Bro Meek is a former Christian and revert to Islam, a co-founder of the Muslim Legal Fund of America and current Executive Director. Khalil was raised in Texas and graduated from Richland High School in Richland Hills, Texas, in 1983. He graduated from the University of North Texas in 1989 with a degree in Investment Finance.

His professional career spans 18 years in the freight transportation logistics and flooring industries. He is the past owner and CEO of Mecca Logistics (1996 – 2000), past Vice President of ROC Transport, Inc. (2000 – 2007) and past General Manager of All American Flooring. He also served as the President of the Islamic Association of Lewsiville/Flower Mount (2001 – 2007), which he co-founded, and President of the Council of American Islamic Relations – DFW Chapter (2004 – 2007).

Representing the Christian side was Mr. Jay Smith, a Ph.D. candidate in Islamic studies at Brunel University in London.

He has participated in many debates that have included distinguished opponents such as Benazir Bhuto, the former Prime Minister of Pakistan.

The Topic of Debate: Which Way America: The Bible or the Qur’an?

Khalil Meek

vs.

Jay Smith

( Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, Missouri, USA March 17, 2011)

THE UNCREATEDNESS OF THE DIVINE SPEECH – THE GLORIOUS QUR’AN

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We Muslims should avoid this kind of discussion to rationalize the nature of the Quran. This is something not defined in the Quran and hadith. and we may get into a shirk, division and scandalized idea like whether Isa (AS) had been the incarnate Logos in Christianity.

This is part of al-Asma’ wa al-Sifat discussion,the theological positions of the Ahli sunnah wal jamaah (the tradition based on Imam Abu al-Hasan al-Ash`ari and Imam Abu Mansur al-Maturidi.) which is the massive majority of the Muslims, that the the uncreatedness of Speech of God the Most High i.e. the Quran is that it was the eternal and uncreated speech of God but that the ink, paper and the Arabic words of the sacred text were created.

How ? we just dont ask how because like the creation of Adam (AS) and the conception of Isa (AS) in Maryam (AS) womb , it was كُن فَيَكُونُ “Be!” and it is!

Allah says, “Verily, His Command, when He intends a thing, is only that He says to it, ‘Be!’ and it is!” -Q 36:82

Allah says, “Verily! Our Word unto a thing when We intend it, is only that We say unto it: “Be!” and it is.” – Q 16:40

Hafiz Abu Bakr al-Bayhaqi said in al-Asma’ wa al-Sifat with a sound chain:

“Something Ibn Shaddad had written was handed to Abu Bakr al-Marwazi which containing the phrase: “My pronunciation of the Qur’an is uncreated” and the latter was asked to show it to Ahmad ibn Hanbal for corroboration. The latter crossed out the phrase and wrote instead: “The Qur’an, however used (haythu yusraf), is uncreated.” (al-Bayhaqi, al-Asma’ wa al-Sifat (al-Kawthari ed. p. 265; al-Hashidi ed. 2:18))

“In another sound narration, Abu Bakr al-Marwazi, Abu Muhammad Fawran [or Fawzan], and Salih ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal witnessed Ahmad rebuking one of his students named Abu Talib with the words: “Are you telling people that I said: `My pronunciation of the Qur’an is uncreated’?” Abu Talib replied: “I only said this from my own.” Ahmad said: “Do not say this – neither from me, nor from you! I never heard any person of knowledge say it. The Qur’an is the Speech of Allah uncreated, whichever way it is used.” Salih said to Abu Talib: “If you told people what you said, now go and tell the same people that Abu `Abd Allah [Imam Ahmad] forbade to say it.””al-Asma’ wa al-Sifat (al-Kawthari ed. p. 265; al-Hashidi ed. 2:18)

The Proof of Islam and Renewer of the Fifth Hijri Century, Imam Abu Hamid al-Ghazzali said in his “Foundations of Islamic Belief” (Qawa`id al-`Aqa’id) published in his Rasa’il and his Ihya’ `Ulum al-Din and partially translated in Shaykh Nuh Keller’s Reliance of the Traveller :

“The Qur’an is read by tongues, written in books, and remembered in the heart, yet it is, nevertheless, uncreated and without beginning, subsisting in the Essence of Allah, not subject to division and or separation through its transmission to the heart and paper. Musa – upon him peace – heard the Speech of Allah without sound and without letter, just as the righteous see the Essence of Allah Most High in the Hereafter, without substance or its quality.”

And Imam al-Tahawi said of the Qur’an in his “Creed of Abu Hanifa and his Companions”: “It is not created like the speech of creatures.”

It must be stressed however it is part of the aqeedah of ahli sunnah wal jamah that they never and do not encourage muslims to discuss and rationalize this concept like any human idea.